Originally Posted by
Crjreg007
I'm not management I'm just looking at our situation in reality not what may be. What shafts our pilots more no money and no growth or just no extra money? Seems like you're the one shafting the pilots. You say I have no balls I say you have no brains. A difference of opinion I guess. You keep saying I want to keep money away from our pilots. What money? Ask Envoy about those contract gains they held out for. In your mind this money were getting is already on the table and I'm telling people to leave it when nothing is being offer to our pilots and what was offered was turned down. Read through the town hall meeting in CLT and listen to the MEC call we just had. Every thing said in both supports my theory. Dion directly said there was no intention of paying captains more because it's bad business. You say people arnt buying into the bonuses so maybe money doesn't bring people in as much as you think. Endeavor is doing good hiring with money but PSA did much better when all we were offering was movement. Any one looking at not spending a life time at a regional knows the fast track to the left seat is better for their career.
A difference of opinion indeed. The simple difference between you and I is that I believe that if the company is to benefit financially from the pilots, the pilots must also benefit financially from the company. "Movement" is not a permanent tangible benefit, as you are all seeing now...Something as intangible and temporary as "movement" should not be paid for permanently (contractually) in the form of pay cuts..I hope you can grasp this because this is important. Now the movement is slowing but you still have the same crappy pay. Company is still benefiting but you are not. Who has won??
Endeavor pays ALL their pilots with tangible money, AND they are adding planes. PSA gets more planes for now, but seems to have unhappy pilots who don't get paid. You think movement is more important than getting paid. That's poor thinking. If people were getting paid, there would be more movement (more hiring)....Pilots get paid, company makes money. In THAT scenario, everybody wins.
Also FWIW I know dozens of good pilots with thousands of TPIC who haven't been called. Running to the lowest paying left seat for that 1000 TPIC isn't always the best choice. Otherwise all those pilots that upgraded over there would be at United or Delta by now, not waiting 15 years to maybe flow to AA...
EDIT: I don't think anyone in the PSA thread wants me to ask Envoy pilots how they feel about the contracts gains they were holding out for
