[QUOTE=sweetholyjesus;2105406]A difference of opinion indeed. The simple difference between you and I is that I believe that if the company is to benefit financially from the pilots, the pilots must also benefit financially from the company. "Movement" is not a permanent tangible benefit, as you are all seeing now...Something as intangible and temporary as "movement" should not be paid for permanently (contractually) in the form of pay cuts..I hope you can grasp this because this is important. Now the movement is slowing but you still have the same crappy pay. Company is still benefiting but you are not. Who has won??

Endeavor pays ALL their pilots with tangible money, AND they are adding planes. PSA gets more planes for now, but seems to have unhappy pilots who don't get paid. You think movement is more important than getting paid. That's poor thinking. If people were getting paid, there would be more movement (more hiring)....Pilots get paid, company makes money. In THAT scenario, everybody wins.

Also FWIW I know dozens of good pilots with thousands of TPIC who haven't been called. Running to the lowest paying left seat for that 1000 TPIC isn't always the best choice. Otherwise all those pilots that upgraded over there would be at United or Delta by now, not waiting 15 years to maybe flow to AA...

EDIT: I don't think anyone in the PSA thread wants me to ask Envoy pilots how they feel about the contracts gains they were holding out for [/QUOTE

We both agree the company has won because PSA took pay cuts for growth but now the pilots want to take away that growth for pay raises they won't get. They got growth because of they are cheap. Giving them planes and raising their pay defeats the purpose of giving them the planes in the company eyes. I don't think movement is more important than getting paid but they are directly related. Quick upgrade directly equals more pay. It would be nice in a perfect world if pilots and company both made money but in PSAs current situation the company can make more money by not paying us. We all would love to be paid more but that's not on the cards currently for PSA. Looking through your posts it doesn't seem you even work for PSA so I don't think you truly understand the situation here. It looks like you work for Air Wisconsin so to me it seems us losing flying because of staff may directly benefit you it I'm not wrong. Air Wisconsin is a great group of pilots that does good work but have a very uncertain future because AA goes with cheaper regionals. You're right no one probably does want to ask Envoy guys about holding out for a better contract. Another good group of pilots that got hosed because of some one cheaper. PSA is about to be that hosed airline and they are already poorly paid with a bad flow. But go ahead PSA pilots stand up for better pay after selling yourself short for that growth. I'm sure the other AA carriers will feel real bad for us as they get our flying.