Originally Posted by
sweetholyjesus
So you agree with me, but then say I lack brains
Benefiting from another carrier's misfortune isn't what I'm all about. When I look at issues like these I am not only thinking about AWAC. You are so paranoid about other airlines nipping at your heels that you are willing to sell yourself and other pilots short. Sounds like all the company fear-mongering and whipsawing did its work well.. I remember you said you didn't vote but you sound like a true yes-voter:
"I am willing to do more (bigger planes, more pax) for less money so my company can turn a bigger profit for itself. After I do this for the company they can pay other people (and not me) so that they can keep making themselves more money. Once I can no longer "benefit" from this arrangement, I will choose to defend the arrangement so management can keep more money. I don't care about money as long as there is growth" (which you've made abundantly clear)
We have a difference of opinion, but I believe your way of thinking is more harmful to the profession. Quick upgrade doesn't equal more pay. More pay equals more pay. The company getting captains on the cheap only benefits the company. Flow takes 15-20 years, but pay is capped at 12?? Company wins! But if money is really so unimportant to you, I guess I will just have to accept that your mind wont change.
I still don't see how you are not understanding this. You keep saying things like taking pay cuts and selling pilots short like it's happening. It's already happened before I ever got here. You act like I'm trying to sell myself and other pilots short for growth. I'm saying that already happened years ago. We sold our pay for growth and are now trying to sell our growth for pay we won't see. Your argument is relevant about 4 years ago. Quick upgrade doesn't equal more pay? You think of some gets hired at PSA and upgrades is 2 years they will make less money in 5 years than an endeavor FO that is still an FO 5 years from now? Thr quick upgrade makes more and gets TPIC. Not sure why you put our flow being 15-20 years in there and our pay caps. Flow won't go up without new hires and pay caps hurt pilots when they get trapped in the right seat because of no growth. Seems like those things help my argument.