[QUOTE=1stCivDivPilot;2132805]there were horses and a man on fire. I need a safe house.[/QUOTE

I don't know why you guys get so upset with each other. The Parker, Kirby, Glass machine rolls over all groups at the new American. In my opinion the only group to get anything over on them was the PSA MEC that snuck in the critical pay thing, and the SAP. Both which by the way have been blatantly circumvented by the company. So PKG wins anyway.