Originally Posted by Nightflyer

1) We are not in contract negotiations. There is no reason for the company to give us anything, unless it is to their benefit.

2) The company won't agree to anything that isn't a win for them and a loss for us. If it saves the company money at our expense, it's not a win-win. If it costs the company money, they will simply tell us, "that's nice, see you in a few years".

3) We have voted for bad deals before. I am pretty sure the last time we voted no was 1998. Since then, the pilot group has proved over and over that group think makes us stupid.

4) It seems to me, we are doing the due diligence that should have been done before or during the last negotiations. Too bad that "train has left the station".

5) Put me down as being very skeptical.