Yes.

That is part of the problem that we have now. Since we are not growing anymore, we have FO's that are stagnant because the company hired so many DEC's.

FO upgrade time is now more than 2.5 years, but there are a ton of captains junior to the vast majority of FOs.

So, we have FO's that can't upgrade and CA's that will be on reserve for 5+ years.

That will cause FO's to go elsewhere where they can upgrade, and CA's to go elsewhere so they can get off of reserve in the next decade. PSA management really screwed up.