Yep, PDT is faster but Envoy is a close second. Envoy's flow numbers fluctuate every month so it's hard to nail down a solid time for them but they say 7-8 years. Other downside with Envoy is you're still looking at 3 years to upgrade. PSA, honestly, idk if they even have a flow at this point- They can throttle theirs freely. My friends there aren't banking on the flow and it's worth noting their upgrade is 2 years. PDT as of today has 469 pilots on the list, so 6 more to flowing 4/ month which puts new hires at 5ish years. PDT also has an instant dash upgrade and a 4 month EMB-145 upgrade so you don't have to live like a peasant. AA and PDT also have a contractual obligation to send the appropriate number of pilots each month meaning there is no flow throttling. I'm glad to see someone is more concerned about their future rather than shiny new jets. PM me if you have any more questions.