Psa, pdt, env?
10-11-2016 | 06:16 PM
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10-11-2016 | 07:10 PM
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These numbers are disingenuous at best. You Piedmont guys need to stop trying to trick your perspective new hires. You can't count average attrition. For one these numbers will vary greatly month to month, and with the new pay scales your attrition will start trending toward zero. Also, when you use total attrition, you will inadvertently capture attrition on the low end as well, not just captains and senior FO's. This will skew your projections. If you are trying to give an applicant an unbiased opinion, do what Envoy does. Give them the numbers based on pilots on property and flow rate. If they want to add in attrition themselves then let them do that. Piedmont's attrition to other airlines is no different than all the rest (percentage wise). So let's just assume that is a constant. I will give you the 100 senior pilot argument for now, but there is nothing to say that won't change. If management suddenly decides that those pilots are too expensive and goes after them, they may change their minds and flow. So the real Piedmont flow is... 3 pilots per month (could go up to 4 if total pilots on property reaches 478 I think) times 12 months = 36 pilots per year. With that flow rate and 369 pilots to wait in line for, it will take you 10.25 years to flow to American. If it goes up to 4 then that's 7.68 years to flow. These are the hard numbers, if you want to throw in attrition, which is unpredictable and will go down as the environment gets better, then go ahead. The numbers Envoy quotes do not have any attrition except known retirements. So at just under six years Envoy has the fastest flow, if you want to throw in average attrition on top be my guest. It is between 10-15 per month, you can do the math. Sorry for the rant, I just get tired of Piedmont trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes.
10-11-2016 | 07:29 PM
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Why do pilots care about flows right now when you can get hired off the street at damn near any 121 carrier right now? It's only going to get easier in the future with +23,000 consecutive retirements through 2025. Get your 1000 121 PIC time and fire off applications. Hell, just get in the left seat and start sending them out everywhere you want to work at.
Flows are for suckering new hires in. Money talks and Endeavor still has the best compensation package in the business.
Flows are for suckering new hires in. Money talks and Endeavor still has the best compensation package in the business.
10-11-2016 | 08:31 PM
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Why do pilots care about flows right now when you can get hired off the street at damn near any 121 carrier right now? It's only going to get easier in the future with +23,000 consecutive retirements through 2025. Get your 1000 121 PIC time and fire off applications. Hell, just get in the left seat and start sending them out everywhere you want to work at.
Flows are for suckering new hires in. Money talks and Endeavor still has the best compensation package in the business.
Flows are for suckering new hires in. Money talks and Endeavor still has the best compensation package in the business.
10-11-2016 | 11:19 PM
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Why do pilots care about flows right now when you can get hired off the street at damn near any 121 carrier right now? It's only going to get easier in the future with +23,000 consecutive retirements through 2025. Get your 1000 121 PIC time and fire off applications. Hell, just get in the left seat and start sending them out everywhere you want to work at.
Flows are for suckering new hires in. Money talks and Endeavor still has the best compensation package in the business.
Flows are for suckering new hires in. Money talks and Endeavor still has the best compensation package in the business.
10-12-2016 | 02:03 AM
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I can't speak for other bases, but TYS usually only has 2 or 3 long call lines. According to the contract, there has to be a long call line for every percentage of short call lines. So they keep it minimal.
10-12-2016 | 06:13 AM
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Why do pilots care about flows right now when you can get hired off the street at damn near any 121 carrier right now? It's only going to get easier in the future with +23,000 consecutive retirements through 2025. Get your 1000 121 PIC time and fire off applications. Hell, just get in the left seat and start sending them out everywhere you want to work at.
Flows are for suckering new hires in. Money talks and Endeavor still has the best compensation package in the business.
Flows are for suckering new hires in. Money talks and Endeavor still has the best compensation package in the business.
You get in the left seat quick and once you hit 1000 PIC you send your stuff to Delta, United and then keep trying to get out. Nobody says you have to wait for the flow do they? Plus Not everyone gets hired at a major so if you get Turned down at Delta and United then guess what? You've got a job waiting at American. Win Win! As long as the WO's keep growing and the flow keeps flowing the WO's right now are hard to beat. Especially since more money is being pumped into them by American.
Not saying Endeavor isn't the place to go just saying that the Flow is just an added incentive to come to one of our WO's and it's something to use if you need to if your planes at Delta and United don't work out.
10-12-2016 | 06:53 AM
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As pilots, we plan for the worst and hope for the best on every flight. Why wouldn't you approach your career with the same mentality? It's simply insurance. You don't know how well your interview will go despite your best efforts to prepare. Some times we have good days and some times we have bad days. What are you gonna do if bad luck should strike or you get too nervous and have a bad day on your interview? You don't exactly just waltz into a legacy airline whenever you feel like it. I know a few great people who did not successfully pass their legacy airline interviews, and its absolutely heartbreaking. If you come to an AA WO, and don't pass at UAL/DAL/FDX/JBLU/Whoever, you have AA guaranteed with a little bit of patience.
That being said I think as we move forward you will see American taking a more active role in the hiring process into it's Wo's and placing each newhire into the WO that need pilots at the time.
Basically American will make a more streamline operation from it's WO's to Mainline. Already seeing it at PDT where some of the Ex Mainline Instructors are not starting to work at PDT.
My hope is that eventually our WO's will be attached to our seniority list and eventually all flying will be under the Mainline brand.
One can only hope.
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