And then there's this gem where PSA wants you to believe their flow is just as fast Lol

 

Envoy... Commutable? Haha wait until the actual commuters see this comment. Ef that

 

Lol, please read before you start throwing stones. I always say tell ppl flow is anywhere between 5-8 years.

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Reserve times at ENY/PSA/PDT?

 

At PSA depends on base. CLT is fairly long. I think DAY is very short. Flew with a guy who was a Jun or Jul hire who has a line this month. TYS and CVG are a mystery I never fly with anyone from there so its hrd to get a feeling.

 

It depends on what you consider to be "long". A few months? TYS has the longest reserve times right now.

Last month, for at least a Build Up Line, it was:

CLT - May 2016
CVG - March 2016
DAY - June 2016
TYS - May 2015

 

I really, really hope that when I talk about Envoy I don't sound like CLT Guy when he talks about PSA.

Just in case, I'm taking a break from this forum. Congratulations to all Envoy pilots who are upgrading on this bid...remember there will be another in December and every 2-3 months from here on out.

I wish all 3 wholly owned airlines the best. I truly believe with all my heart there are no better airlines to work for these days than Envoy, PSA, and Piedmont.

See you guys on the other side.

 

So DFW, ORD and LGA are not commutable?

I've been here 6 yrs and never had to use a commuter policy. I've been based in ORD, MIA and LGA...never had a problem.

 

Thank you, I'll take that as a compliment.

The truth is that PSA has a very good QOL, a very short reserve/upgrade time, and is a good option. There are some arrogant bullies on APC that like to put PSA down, but we have a good airline with a good future. They tell half truths about the history, and use words to take out their frustrations about the failures of their own airline/MEC/management.

PSA was accused of taking "concessions", but as you can see, the MEC played their cards well, and took good improvements and won in the end.

As far as the flow goes, our current terms are not the best of the 3 - maybe. We are currently in negotiations on improving this. We will see what happens. But, I can say that we are currently flowing pilots that were hired in 2007, which is better than the other 2. PDT and PSA are increasing the number that they are flowing, while Envoy is decreasing it's number going forward.

Our attrition is high right now, losing 28 off of the list last month (not counting those that flowed). Of those, 10 were captains. If you include the 7 that flowed, we lost 17 captains last month. That is not bad, and people are upgrading and moving up the list quickly.

If we can get to 100 flow/year in 2017, then those pilots hired in 2014 will flow in 2019-2021, so a 5-7 year flow. It is not great, but it is far from terrible.

New hires today should not really be too concerned with a flow times anyway. The majors need to hire more pilots in the next 5 years than are currently flying at all off the regionals combined. The flow is a great back-up, in case you screw up an interview or two, it provides a guaranteed job, but you should be able to get hired outside of the flow faster than the flow anyway.

 

I think that he is saying that your schedules are terrible, and not commutable. At least for the first few years of being on reserve, and then for the first few years of being a line holder.