So which to choose if coming from another regional with 1000hrs 121. I don't care about commute. I just want to know about raw flow numbers. Hired today how fast would one flow at each.

 

If you are considering who flows the most respective to pilot group size- PDT will get you to AA faster

 

Yep, PDT is faster but Envoy is a close second. Envoy's flow numbers fluctuate every month so it's hard to nail down a solid time for them but they say 7-8 years. Other downside with Envoy is you're still looking at 3 years to upgrade. PSA, honestly, idk if they even have a flow at this point- They can throttle theirs freely. My friends there aren't banking on the flow and it's worth noting their upgrade is 2 years. PDT as of today has 469 pilots on the list, so 6 more to flowing 4/ month which puts new hires at 5ish years. PDT also has an instant dash upgrade and a 4 month EMB-145 upgrade so you don't have to live like a peasant. AA and PDT also have a contractual obligation to send the appropriate number of pilots each month meaning there is no flow throttling. I'm glad to see someone is more concerned about their future rather than shiny new jets. PM me if you have any more questions.

 

Plus if you have 1000 hrs 121 you can upgrade almost immediately at PDT, can't say that for the other 2.

 

PM sent

filler.

 

And for those who question 5ish years here is the math:
469 (Total Number of Pilots) - 100 (Pilots who won't flow- Arbitrary number)=369
(369/6) (6 is derived from the Average Attrition plus the flow number)=61.5 months
61.5/12 (This breaks it down to years) = 5.12 years or 5 Years and 3 months

Always subject to change obviously, but the trend won't go down for the foreseeable future.

 

Flow alone pdt but saying psa throttles the flow isn't true they can hold back classes but have to make up for it later in the year.

 

The problem with this math is it assumes the additional attrition outside of the flow is always people senior to you, which will not be true. I would agree with 5 years as a result of us growing and the population growing ultimately allowing more flow pilots per month, but conservatively counting only flow pilots the time to flow is considerably longer than 5 years. Regardless of the mechanism, I agree 5 years sounds like an accurate flow time for a new hire TODAY. Each month you delay that time goes up so if you are considering a lateral move the sooner you do it the better

 

But you're ruining all of their pretty math!!!!

 

When AA is planning on hiring 800-1000 in a year, making up for it "later in the year" is a huge loss of seniority. I don't know the details of the other WO's flow, just saying.