These numbers are disingenuous at best. You Piedmont guys need to stop trying to trick your perspective new hires. You can't count average attrition. For one these numbers will vary greatly month to month, and with the new pay scales your attrition will start trending toward zero. Also, when you use total attrition, you will inadvertently capture attrition on the low end as well, not just captains and senior FO's. This will skew your projections. If you are trying to give an applicant an unbiased opinion, do what Envoy does. Give them the numbers based on pilots on property and flow rate. If they want to add in attrition themselves then let them do that. Piedmont's attrition to other airlines is no different than all the rest (percentage wise). So let's just assume that is a constant. I will give you the 100 senior pilot argument for now, but there is nothing to say that won't change. If management suddenly decides that those pilots are too expensive and goes after them, they may change their minds and flow. So the real Piedmont flow is... 3 pilots per month (could go up to 4 if total pilots on property reaches 478 I think) times 12 months = 36 pilots per year. With that flow rate and 369 pilots to wait in line for, it will take you 10.25 years to flow to American. If it goes up to 4 then that's 7.68 years to flow. These are the hard numbers, if you want to throw in attrition, which is unpredictable and will go down as the environment gets better, then go ahead. The numbers Envoy quotes do not have any attrition except known retirements. So at just under six years Envoy has the fastest flow, if you want to throw in average attrition on top be my guest. It is between 10-15 per month, you can do the math. Sorry for the rant, I just get tired of Piedmont trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes.