Originally Posted by
Jughead135
But what's the rush?
Those industry average rates (or better?) are a given for any contract going forward. They're not a "win."
Full retro in this TA could be considered a "win"; it's undeniably at risk if we turn down this contract. That we won't get it going forward isn't a given, but a real possibility to weigh & consider. The likely answer is somewhere in the middle: if negotiating full retro is impossible down the road, then some form of "signing bonus" would be likely. Probably appropriate to consider it "gone," though, for comparison purposes in a "what-if" scenario of voting down the TA.
Your approach is selling the SL changes (along with all the other badness; 3.B.4 & JV Scope top my list) for that retro check. Not "nothing"; but, I would argue, hardly worth it in the long run.
I consider it a win. Our rates are better than AMR. Pretty much equal with UAL but with a "Me too" clause we can not possibly do better than this.
The win is that our rates match the competiions and we have a vastly superior PS payout. Putting aside all other factors DAL guys will mostly get a bigger W-2.
If you don't believe this just check out the other forums:
Many AMR Pilots are longing for ALPA - I am totally serious.
Many SWA guys are now actively pushing for a no vote after seeing our TA.
UAL guys are crossing their fingers that we pass our TA so they get a pay raise.
UPS and FDX probably don't care too much but our top rates also beat theirs.
If our TA sucks so bad why is it having such a big impact in the industry?
Weigh the Pros and Cons and vote accordingly. If you think we can do better vote No - I did last time and it worked. I don't think it will work again.
Scoop