Originally Posted by
GodIsGood
Does a new hire today get hired in 2007 or 2016? In other words, new hires should look at what the flow through projection is for someone hired today, not years ago during the worst decade in the industry.
The pilots coming to Envoy are smart enough to understand that concept. Are you?
As far as Envoy's flow through numbers, it's 30 EVERY MONTH, and we do know exactly how long that lasts.
Envoy's flow through projection of 5.5 years is based only on the minimum meterable flow per month. They use 0 pilots per month for attrition to other airlines, unlike PSA who uses 20-25 per month, or about 2% of their pilot group every month. That would be like Envoy saying, ya we have 30 a month flowing but we have 37 more a month going to other airlines. Using the same attrition percentage to other airlines that PSA uses would drop Envoy's flow through projection to 28 months.
PSA pilots are not more desirable to legacy carriers. Using other airline attrition is dishonest at best and that is why Envoy doesn't use it.
It hasn't worked well for you thus far, but you are hoping that it will work better in the future. I understand. I've heard it 1000 times. This argument is accomplishing nothing. I am very happy for you guys. You have been screwed over time and time again by AA and now AAG. I honestly hope that your new hires flow to AA in 28 months. I see that FO Bucket is still hanging in there.
With that said, no one knows what is going to happen in the future. I can tell you what has happened thus far.
We have lots of pilots that came here fresh out of instructing 3 years ago, upgraded as soon as they had 1000 hours, and are now getting picked up by major carriers.
In the three years they spent here, they spent 2-3 months on reserve TOTAL in 3 years (as CA and FO). They have 1000 TPIC, and have been able to set their own schedules with the SAP. It has been a pretty good 3 years.
Envoy is flowing 30 a month right now. Thats great. But, I would not give up what has and is continuing to happen here for your flow to the lowest paid legacy carrier. Your pilots have spent 3 years on reserve as a FO and if they ever do get a line, it will have one of your terrible schedules.
I much prefer what is happening here.