Originally Posted by JesuitValen

So your argument is that everyone (including pilots who have made no bsnkruptcy sacrifices) should get an equal pay raise because the "middle group of guys" (how many meet your arbitrary criteria btw, and of those guys how many are here?) didn't get to upgrade because of a bankruptcy?

I can only argue making whole, I cant contrive of every scenerio from a made up criteria. We should talk about those proud and lucky colgan guys who didnt have a damn airplane to their name but suddenly weren't a captain for 14-04 and still ***** because they felt like they should have been treated like a captain and gone with other captains on the ssp. They lost a ton of delta money and seniority. Do our senior guys need to pay for that too?

The company went through bankruptcy. The pilots took concessions and lost a ton of airplanes. Those concessions were concrete, senior guys took the biggest hit. They arent making jcba rates, but everyone else is making jcba or better rates with the retention. Its been years, we arent even saying lets try to get the lost money back since bk. There is a proposal saying lets make these guys paid at jcba rates going forward. Seems reasonable.