Originally Posted by Dacuj

Ah, but you are wrong on several points.

Upgrade is currently at 5 years and plummeting.
Shrinking has stopped. Growth coming.
5 year captain pay at Envoy won't matter compared to Spirit FO pay when you upgrade in 1.5 and flow in 5 years and change.

I'm just saying Envoy is a great option for you guys to get out of that cesspool and get to AA. If you made the move today, you would likely be at American before your new contract is TA'd.