Originally Posted by 3inthegreen

Upgrade is currently at 5 years and plummeting.

And when will that January 2011 Captain award actually go to training? I have a good friend in training today, he got the award for the 175 in February. He has really enjoyed the upgrade on paper for the last 11 months while still making FO pay.

Shrinking has stopped. Growth coming.

30 more CRJ's to leave (3 of which leave on January 1). 14 more 145's to go to PDT. 140's Getting parked in the desert for good.

5 year captain pay at Envoy won't matter compared to Spirit FO pay when you upgrade in 1.5 and flow in 5 years and change.

The last captain to flow for November was a 2000 hire. The most junior captain flying the line is a 2008 hire.

I'm just saying Envoy is a great option for you guys to get out of that cesspool and get to AA. If you made the move today, you would likely be at American before your new contract is TA'd.

You sound new, go read your section of the flow through agreement and then compare it to the 824 Arbitration award from a federal judge and then go compare it to the protected pilot agreement which was a settlement. You'll see your "post TA signing," metered 25% flow, dangling carrot can be stopped or destroyed for just about anything......merger, buy out, critical staffing. In the mean time enjoy the 11 days off a month, the "denied due to staffing" crew scheduling responses, and the lost overnights to Laredo.