I had a CJO at Envoy earlier this year. Chose EDV. Would do it again today. The SSP and DGI and flow are all the same in my mind. Not worthless, but nearly so. If it takes me 6 years to move up in this environment, I should be driving a truck instead. The stagnation folks faced the last 10-15 years is gone. Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather go to a LCC in the next 6 months than wait 6-8 years for DL or AA.