Originally Posted by
Dacuj
The previous thread was over a year old and gives mobile users a lot of redirects so I thought I would start a new thread with some info about Envoy.
Great things are happening at Envoy. The sky is the limit.
Flow/Upgrade – AA projecting 750 new hires next year. Expect 360 to 400 to flow in 2017 and an additional 360 in 2018 for a total of close to 800 over two years alone. A new hire can expect to flow to AA in just over 5 years.
Upgrade is projected at 2.5 to 3 years and is currently dropping fast. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see upgrades at less than 2 years in the near future.
New hires. Currently hiring like gangbusters. The last class had 41. Hiring projections for 2017 are in the 750 range. New hires are now eligible for bonuses that bring total first year compensation to 60k.
If you are looking at Envoy, now is the time. Get in on the front of the wave and reap the benefits of rapid seniority advancement and the AA flow.
Our very own management has stated publicly that they expect 330 to flow in 2017, not 360-400. A smallish difference, sure, but why lie about it?
Upgrade times do look like they will drop considerably. They haven't yet, but the large new hire classes are promising and should drop the upgrade times for somebody hired today. Below 2 years? That depends a lot on the flow. The flow has some contractual decreases over the next few years, and the company can meter to the minimums. Why don't you show your math, instead of making bold claims with no evidence? Oh yeah, because you like to exaggerate, as you've shown.
Look, I actually think there are a lot of positives at envoy, the movement induced by flowthrough agreements and huge retirement numbers at AA, along with our improved first year pay---but nobody should come here without first being made aware of our awful schedules (4 days/2 days off for half of the line holders, frequent junior manning to work your off days), management antagonism, contract violations, and poor quality of life. Are those things necessarily no-go items in light of the flow/movement/first year pay? For some they may be, for others no. There have (finally) been some good things happening here, but it isn't all sunshine and roses. There are legit reasons why we are a ****ed off pilot group.
And there are legit good things about coming here. But when someone comes on here are starts inflating numbers, it should make you pause and wonder why they feel they have to exaggerate. The whole truth must not be good enough.