I also have CJO from ENY and SKW. I saw we bring our experience, skills, and positive attitude to Envoy and chance it. Worst case senario, we figure out ENY sucks after a year or two(pay back less or no bonus) and go interview a SKY again. Envoy's upgrade is 6. SKW is 2-2.5. Even if you try Envoy and it doesn't work can you go to SKY, eat crow, and you will still upgrade sooner than if you just simply stay at Envoy. Let's give the guys at Envoy a chance. Let's get to know the people in CS. They prob hate their jobs as much as the pilots right now. Lets see if we can turn this thing around so they don't HAVE to pay a bonus to get people to come to that airline. I liked the people at both places when I interviewed, but I like a challenge, that's why I sit up front. I will prob be called a recruiter until Dec 19th when I show up for class, but my positive attitude is much more contagious than their negative one. Is yours?