Originally Posted by
FlameNSky
I agree with this statement. envoy doesn't offer the flow or bonuses because they are nice people or care about anyone of us. They have no redeemable ethics when it comes to the treatment of their employees but I can't see any scenario in the near future (sub-ten years) that violating the flow would be beneficial to them. The moment that they violate the contractual flow agreement, that incentive becomes worthless and their whole system collapses. Its almost identical to the collapse of the financial system of a country. The moment the government defaults, people immediately lose confidence in the system and it completely collapses, taking decades to recover, if ever. To a degree, PSA's upgrading stagnation of the last year or so is similar. The moment that the rapid moment at PSA stopped, their new hire numbers plummeted and their junior FOs started jumping ship.
Absolutely.
We can speculate that AAG won't honor the flow at envoy once the 824 group is done but that argument is pure conjecture. There is no directly connected basis for that logic. PSA and PDT's flows are not arbitrated, they are contractual, and both those companies have been experiencing the same staffing problems that we have and will likely continue to experience. Have they stop the flow for either of those companies? NO. So we have your argument that AAG doesn't honor the contract in other areas so they probably maybe won't honor the flow and then on the other side we have two other companies with similar contractual flow agreements who are struggling to staff their aircraft and yet they flow each and every month.
PSA and PDT are sending, what, 3-5 pilots to AA every month? That's easy to absorb in both hiring and training. 25-30 from envoy? That's more difficult, but clearly not impossible to deal with. The potential problem that many of us see isn't stopping the flow per se, it's reducing the post-824 flow below required levels and telling the union to "fly it and grieve it" (go pound sand) when staffing remains critical as it is now. That would be on par with how the company is treating the rest of our contract.
Two factual examples against one speculative conjecture. I'm sorry but as many problems and negative things one can say about envoy, worrying about the flow isn't one of them..
I wish I didn't HAVE to be worried, but being outside of the 824, I am. Your post makes rational and logical sense, but I've seen enough irrational and illogical behavior by this company to convince me that common sense doesn't always win here. It was not rational to drive off 600+ pilots in bankruptcy that we were going to need over Doug Parker's need to stroke his ego about being in control. It's not logical to risk violating two federal laws in firing a union volunteer unless you're narcissistic enough to think you can get away with it. It's unethical to fire all the former American Eagle ground personnel at the outstations, replace them with Piedmont, and offer to hire them back at first year wages. When the bean counters trump logic, reason, and ethics, facts are less important in speculating the future than past behavior. Only time will tell.