Was that why we voted the first TA down by such a wide margin? Don't get me wrong, there are still some of these types you speak of around, but it's no where near 90%. By the time the first TA rolled around, we were a pretty ****ed off group. You said you came in 07- probably chasing a quick upgrade like everyone else at that time before the music stopped. If we want to make broad generalizing statements about people, then here we go: In my observation of this industry over the last few years, it's the guys looking for the low hanging fruit and the "easiest path" to the majors that tend to be spineless.