With the upgrade times and the seniority lists at the commuters rolling upward so fast, many people are not having to wait to become captain very long. You can survive at most commuters as a captain. It's not the best but you can manage.

However, when the next downturn hits, and these new entries into the commuters, which is the largest commuter base in history start staying at F/O pay for 5-10 years, I think the reality of this industry will set in a little deeper.