Originally Posted by
Eric Stratton
If 1900 and I are preaching to the choir then way does it still happen. why do the majors continue to give up scope. they obviously haven't learned that lesson yet. even after 9-11 when guys were getting furloughed they gave up more airplanes. I'm not just talking about just NWA either.
You say that I am preaching to the choir but it doesn't seem like it. when you don't think that giving up scope affects regional pilots and future pilots it seems like i'm not preaching to the choir. whether that's the the case or not that's what it seems like.
in regards to the maveric comment he knew he didn't fire and screwed up but didn't want to here it, right. now think to the last dog fight in the movie when tim robbins is his RIO. maveric screws up again and this time Tim is yelling at him to get back in the fight or ice isn't going to survive. maveric and tim would have been fine if he left the fight but iceman and his RIO wouldn't be. sometimes you need someone yelling, questioning, or telling you that you screwed up so that it doesn't continue to happen over and over. right now it is happening over and over with larger airplanes. 1900 was just asking why. he doesn't work for NWA and just wanted to know why because he doesn't understand it either.
when you say that you are willing to fight to get it back does that mean getting those airplanes back because I just don't see it. I believe that the pay and work rules will go up again but I don't see any major EVER getting the planes back.
It is very frustrating to hear people know how bad it is at the regionals and yet they still give more and more airplanes to them. this is not directed at you but to every major and to alpa who is suppose to be looking out for all pilots. just curious how big were the regionals when you were their?
Eric,
If you don't see EVER getting the airplanes back at the majors, then why even bring it up?
I mean what's the point of complaining if you can't conceive of any solutions? That's my point. You are just yapping.
The difference in our examples is key.
In Top Gun when the little guy was yapping at Maverick ("We could have had 'em man!") they were off the airplane oand on the ground. Maverick could not have done anything at that point.
Your Tim Robbins example is great, because he, on the other hand was yelling at him while they were in the air. Maverick was able to take his advice and do something with it.
If you can see my point, it is that you are not being constructive yapping at us while offering no suggestions. This is what I'm saying is disrespectful.
If you say that all you wanted to do is know what we gave up scope in our last K, I answered it in my first post. A bunch of senior guys convinced too many junior guys that it was the best K we could get. It actually saved their pensions and did little else for the rest of us.
Now those senior guys are retiring at a pretty good clip. This airline will be full of junior guys very soon because of it. We have huge numbers of retirements coming up and even if "Age 65" did pass, there would be less effect than there would be at other airlines because of the "saved" pensions I mentioned above. In fact, those pilots who were furloughed towards the tail end of the furloughs are a just few numbers from the left seat of the DC-9. Anyone who has been furloughed knows how to risk things and survive if things don't work out. So, when our K is up in 2011, our pilot group will be full of "junior" people. Scope, retirement, and pay will be at the top of our list.
Personally, I think
ALL aircraft with a NWA logo on it should be under one K. If our number one -400 pilot wanted to bid to fly right seat of the SAAB-340, I think he should be able to do it. No whipsawing that way. I also, think there should be longevity pay that is not seat specific (like what UPS has). No whipsawing that way.
Who know's who will be in charge of our union at the time our new K comes up, but hopefully we have a chance to change things for the better. That will if we can remain focused and find people that don't complain just to hear their voices.
New K Now