Originally Posted by ShopVac

Clueless is someone who can't see reality. Every pilot I meet in the jetway or crew room or bar is trying to leave. They no longer care about Spirit as a career. The way the senior pilots talk, everyone was happy twenty years ago when the senior guys made all the money and the junior guys and gals got their PIC and moved on.



Why should the senior group give up pay in order to put numbers into a column on the scale that will never be occupied?



If we bring up first year pay enough to keep the first year FO's off of food stamps (like say $70/hr) and leave the next three years of the FO scale near first year pay, and then put the majority of the cash into the left seat, everyone will be happy. The "lifers" can make a living, and the "I want United money, so I"m going to United" guys get their Airbus Type w/PIC and go to United. With the way we grow and the rate we're LOSING PILOTS, no one will stay on the FO scale for more than two years anyway. Make dogleg in the slope happen at year four on the FO scale.



Captains (senior) guys make a good living.

Training Dept guys make a good living.

FO's get to build their CV.



Problems solved.