I hate to be optimistic but they have to know if we don't get a contract for another 3 years in this environment that our big yellow boat will sink. Merging 2 angry pilot groups and trying to grow while delaying contracts is an idea that might have worked 5 years ago but not today. With all of the retirements and flow deals now I think the only card NK and F9 will have in the future is pay to keep people from bailing to name brand airlines.