Originally Posted by
GodIsGood
The recruiting department has never lied about flow or upgrade. They said the upgrade time was going to drop to 2.5 years when it was, at that time, 8.5 years. Everyone said we were liars then and it's now dropped to weeks. Did anyone make any apologies after publicly defaming the recruitment department and it's team? Nope.
In regards to flow, the recruitment department has always used the minimum flow numbers(metering numbers) to determine the 6 year flow. Its now increasing because of the size of new hire classes and the department admits that. But that assumes that nobody leaves to the other legacies over the next 6-8 years.
Use the flow as a backup and a way to consistently move up the seniority list while at Envoy. That's the part of the flow nobody ever talks about. Who doesn't want to be at an airline where they move up at least 25 numbers every month!? Plus you have attrition to other airlines. If a new hire can't live with an 8 year flow right now, than go somewhere else. Enjoy the slower upward movement, longer upgrades, and no back-up plan. Nobody is tricking anyone into coming to Envoy!
Spring/Summer of 15 when the company announced 2.5/6 it was impossible due to the current hiring. I don't think anyone in the recruitment part believed this. If anyone did then they are an absolute idiot. Hiring at the time was anemic and artificially inflated because they had choice of base and 175. If ANYONE believed 2.5/6 was possible (without substantial pay increases and less then 6 months after the company to "commair" us and force us into a concessionary contract) then again I say you are an idiot.
Once the pay increase was announced in the summer/fall of 15 then it became a possibility. I along with many other knew the upgrade times would drop drastically based on the number of NHs. We have had two years of saying upgrade times would drop.
2.5/6 came close but it still would of missed the mark if 250 FOs wouldn't of bypassed the upgrade. FYI
Also, you only move up 21 numbers each month plus attrition. But, besides that I agree even if one doesn't use the flow the attrition alone is a key benefit due to the upward movement.
Envoy has and for the foreseeable future is a great place for a NH without prior 121 time.