This, Yes, Exactly.

 

Speaking truth. Well said.

It's the entitled syndrome going on... Everyone DESERVES what they want.

 

OK troll.

Calling out trolls who intentionally paint Envoy in a bad light (for whatever agenda they have) doesn’t mean drinking the company koolaid.

It is undeniable that Envoy is one of the best regionals to go to right now, as evidenced by our hiring numbers, the fast movement, and pay. Unfortunately, that’s like the Hogs beating Coastal Caroline by one point. It still doesn’t change the fact that they suck, or that Envoy is a REGIONAL. Reserve needs drastic improvements. Management needs to take a break from growth so we can take back some QOL. The sign on bonus d!ck swinging needs to end and guys with longevity need to be recognized and better compensated.

As for the flow, it’s a back up plan and should be treated as such. In five years, it might deserve to be a primary plan. Who knows? I️ don’t. But anyone who claims to know, troll or not, shouldn’t be trusted or listened too.


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Spring/Summer of 15 when the company announced 2.5/6 it was impossible due to the current hiring. I don't think anyone in the recruitment part believed this. If anyone did then they are an absolute idiot. Hiring at the time was anemic and artificially inflated because they had choice of base and 175. If ANYONE believed 2.5/6 was possible (without substantial pay increases and less then 6 months after the company to "commair" us and force us into a concessionary contract) then again I say you are an idiot.

Once the pay increase was announced in the summer/fall of 15 then it became a possibility. I along with many other knew the upgrade times would drop drastically based on the number of NHs. We have had two years of saying upgrade times would drop.

2.5/6 came close but it still would of missed the mark if 250 FOs wouldn't of bypassed the upgrade. FYI

Also, you only move up 21 numbers each month plus attrition. But, besides that I agree even if one doesn't use the flow the attrition alone is a key benefit due to the upward movement.

Envoy has and for the foreseeable future is a great place for a NH without prior 121 time.

 

I do agree with the majority of your opinion but I am willing to bet that, NEVER has any recruiter stated the truth about our QOL and demeaning nature of our corporate leaders and personnel. Yes the flow is good, but why does our flow have to be the excuse to the abusive natured personnel? If only the toxic environment of our leadership could be cleansed. Not following the contract, abusive relationship with labor groups, below standard pay scales, constant degradation of morale, etc. is all.....ALL in the hands of the top people here. No one is talking “entitlements” here. I’m talking items that were agreed upon and should be honored to every word. Not interpreted. But I don’t expect Envoy to because after my long tenure here, they never have. No honor whatsoever.


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I agree the flow should never to relied upon as more than a last chance backup, as it's too unreliable. (This is my own opinion, and not that of any company or employer).

To be fair, one doesn't always move up even the measly 25 every month. Just look at the entire second half of 2017. Minimal flows and lethargic movement, including ZERO flows in October and December (maybe more zero months, but I've lost track).

Isn't it sad that the best thing about the place is that there is an established mechanism to help people quit and start new employment?

Again, these are not the opinions if any company or employer.

 

This is a good analysis. For example, take the 1 turnback for reserves agreed upon in the last TA. Almost immediately the company began violating it and within a couple of months, a guy on a 6 day reserve stretch might leave on day one and never see home again until the end of the 6th day. How is this following the agreement that was signed and agreed to by both the union and company?

Now, take the current lack of flow and metering. It was mentioned previously that the union site has just, yet again, delayed the flow dates for everyone. Why? Because the company is metering and of the 80 or 88 hired in November only 25 Envoy will flow? The company has proven that they will violate any agreement when it benefits them, boy did that LTFO really cost them.

So, what do you think they will do with the increasing need for pilots both CA and FO? What they are doing above, slowing and metering the flow which dilutes your benefit. It might get worse if they need you bad enough. I predicted here about two years ago that this would happen but was scoffed at. If you are close to a flow date, say within 1 year, which would mean a 2006 or 2007 hire, think of the hundreds of people coming in above you while you wait with the flow slowdown and metering.