Old 01-30-2018, 11:37 PM
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JohnBurke
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Originally Posted by goobscoob View Post
1.) The plane was PROBABLY safe to fly. Probably is not good enough at night, probably is not good enough with a student or any passenger. If he thought the risk was acceptable and worth it, he should have taken it the next day, alone.
The aircraft was not safe. It was no longer airworthy. It was not legal. Neither of you had any means of determining the status of the engine or airframe without a thorough inspection, which would have required, by necessity, a teardown of the engine and up to several weeks of time. A great deal of potential damage can exist beneath the surface, often unseen. A big question mark and an unairworthy aircraft does not make for a safe flight.

To be airworthy, an aircraft must be within compliance of its type certificate, and safe to fly. Yours was neither airworthy, nor legal, nor safe.

Originally Posted by goobscoob View Post

2.) My instructor was not in a calm and collected state of mind. If he had been, he would have made better decisions. The decisions he made as an aircraft mechanic that night were also negatively influenced.
External Factors that influenced the poor decisions
-Fatigue
-Desire to be home
-Desire to not alarm the wife
-Desire to remain calm and set a good example for his student
-Desire to save the A/C owner some money
The fact that your instructor was neither calm nor collected means he was not safe for flight. He certainly did not set a good example, but his actions were not legal, not conductive to safety, and his actions as a mechanic and instructor could easily cost him his FAA certification.

It's rightly said that when you undertake a flight, you should place the safety of that flight at a greater premium than your family, your religion, your government, or your pets. If you fail to conduct that flight safely, you may never see your family again, go to church, pay your taxes, or feed your pet. Stepping over a dollar to pick up a dime, your instructor cost his employer money as well as put the reputation and future of the company at risk. How much money might he have saved had your engine or propeller failed on your trip home.

What was he thinking conducting the flight back at a couple thousand feet, instead of climbing high enough to buy more glide time? Stupidity. Not as stupid as departing at night cross country after the deer strike, but one more broken link in the chain.

Originally Posted by goobscoob View Post
3.) There is no question at all, there are a million things I could have done better. My self-excuse over the past few days was that I made a conscious recognition that night that this was beyond my level of experience, and made a conscious decision to take a backseat approach and watch & learn from how my instructor handled the situation. This was a mistake. Watch & learn yes, but I should have kept my brain plugged in and realized how rushed and abnormal the whole procedure felt during departure. I did realize it, but I failed to act on it because I pushed it to the back of my mind in lieu of his expertise. I should have realized my instructor and myself were not in the right state of mind. Even if the plane was good, clearly we were not. If I want to be a pilot I need to demand the most from myself in ALL situations, whether it is dual instruction, SIC or PIC.
There is a moment in the film "Blue Thunder" in which the main character comments to a young, junior pilot, "You're supposed to be stupid. Don't abuse it."

You're not stupid. You're a student. When you're flying, you're flying on your instructor's certificate. He's responsible. With the added qualifications of mechanic, his culpability is all the greater.

Originally Posted by goobscoob View Post
4.) Does this event warrant a new instructor? I have to agree with rickair7777 on that one, depends on his attitude.
His attitude was laid bare when he made the call to fly home after the deer strike.

I'd have already fired him. His employer may have little choice if the FAA becomes involved, and the FAA should be involved. This pilot lacks the maturity, experience, wisdom, skill, leadership, and fortitude to make a simple, clear-cut decision. This event was not a grey area. It was not questionable from a maintenance standpoint, nor from that of an instructor. It is a gross failing on both counts, and you do your instructor no favor by attempting to absorb some of his blame.

You keep saying you should know better. You should know better than to continue flying with this instructor. Learning is defined by a change in behavior. Whether you fly with this instructor again will attest to your learning from this event.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Reality...

If the prop was not damaged visibly then the engine was fine.
Absolutely not; that's a very dangerous assumption, and no engine manufacturer provides guidance, following a prop strike, which suggests that so long as there's no visible damage on the prop, the matter is concluded. Quite the opposite. Damage may have taken place in multiple locations, many of which cannot be seen externally, and many of which can only be detected through nondestructive testing.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post

Probably the biggest risk would be the transponder antenna cable arcing and sparking, but turning the transponder off should fix that.
Really no risk of that, but the fact that the damage occurred to a part mechanically attached to the aircraft, following a collision on the runway, indicates a requirement for inspection beyond the surface. Had the airplane been altered in a manner acceptable to the administrator? No. It was unairworthy. With respect to the transponder antenna, several avenues would have been available for remedy, none of which were taken. An external inspection would have been insufficient for any of them.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
The transponder needed to be INOPed. Might have needed permission to fly in a B circle without mode C, and might have needed a ferry permit.
The transponder wasn't inoperative. The antenna was ripped off. Structural damage occurred. Not the same as inoperative instruments or hardware. While the instructor might have sought a special flight permit, the barrier to obtaining that permit wouldn't have been the transponder, but the prop strike and collision on the runway. As a certificated mechanic, the instructor couldn't reasonably argue he was unaware. That makes his decision all the more egregious.

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