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Old 03-21-2018, 10:21 PM   #4  
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Originally Posted by fhteagle View Post
So I was at Eagle 2004-2008, got out for a much better job just before the first contractions were announced in 2008. However, I am considering returning due to the HVA program I guess it is called. Please hold all flame type replies, I have done my time as part of the lost generation and am just trying to get the TPIC to get out of these doldrums. However, I want to make sure I understand all the facts. I have done 121 street captain once already, at a place that was in its death throes, and do not want to walk blindly into the wrong situation again. So, here are a few questions that I have already asked of the recruiters, but I wanted to poll the brain trust here as well. Any factual, contract citation, or well thought out replies will be greatly appreciated....

1. Will there be any protection for a HVA hire from displacement back to FO if the fleet shrinks again?
2. If hired as FO and immediately displaced to NCE, will there be any associated seat or base lock? (I can handle a commute to ORD but LGA long term is no bueno)
3. Is there any length of service requirement attached to the $45k bonus?
4. Is there any longevity credit offered for former time at Eagle / Envoy?
5. How well have NCE's and OCE's been able to trip trade via the app to get something like 4 on - 1 off - 4 on - 6 off or so?
6. Have any TDYs been offered to LGA for OCE's? If so, what is the deviation from deadhead policy these days?
7. Is there a compressed "Experienced new hire" footprint, or do I have to go through full EMB systems and sims despite being already 121 type rated and current?
8. What is the current training schedule for indoc, systems, sim, IOE segments, etc for HVAs? Is any of the footprint done as homestudy CBT?
9. When do HVAs start getting paid as CA? (first day of indoc, systems, IOE, after Fed Ride?)
10. HVAs are being flown 100% as PIC, or sometimes as SIC also?
11. HVAs able to bid to OCE in the +/- 3 months timeframe accurate?

Thanks in advance to all...
I had to reply because the other responses don't fit exactly what I've heard/know.

1) No protection.
2) No seat lock if displaced.
3) FO bonuses are 2 years... prorated after 1. I'd assume there's something similar for the HVA bonus.
4) I've actually heard this is a negative... as in you might not even be offered a job if you quit here before but I did have a new hire class mate that had worked here before so stories like that may have an air of "there's more to the story". Anyway, don't expect special treatment. My classmate didn't get any as far as I know.
5) Trip trading to shift days working and not working... for the most part, I have not had much luck until this month where I was able to do so quite successfully. Supposedly we are much fatter on FOs (I'm an FO) now than we have been and I've assumed that was why.
6) Yes, but not for several months I don't think. There are three different versions of TDY. Best discussed knowing where your commuting from I think.
7) Not that I know of.
8) I don't know what the current footprint is but there is some of it that is home study CBT.
9) You're paid like an FO until after a successful FED ride. FO bonus is paid first day of training though. Not sure how the HVA bonus is paid out.
10) As I understand it, we stopped dual seat qualification training for captains in January. And even if we didn't, we're short on captains and fat on FOs right now so you wouldn't likely spend much time in the right seat, if any, assuming things stay the same for the foreseeable future.
11) Not unless something we aren't expecting happens. There are some here that will say otherwise but I think DEC will be in LGA for a while.
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