I was referring to the guys in the F-15E community. Anyway, The AF better get a clue. As Woody Hayes used to say, "you win with people." Don't know which desk jockey is telling the air staff that F-35s and F-22s and C-17s will fly themselves but from talking with most of my friends, the C-17 community is going to be hurting once everyone come up on their commitments.