Originally Posted by
NoValueAviator
I don't get the thinking here.
People stomp the brakes and stay home instead of flying their butts off to get to NCE faster (100% legal), this gets thrown into a negotiation where a sweet 3 mo TDY deal AND faster flow for PPs pops out, then a few PPs go on a rampage cursing millenials?
We all know there's still blood in this rock, look at what Endeavor pilots are getting. Why don't we all work together and try to get it?
I don't get it either, brother... And I agree, wish we could get what Endeavor is getting, but each small improvement is a step in the right direction. If we went into the negotiating room and slammed an "Endeavor or Better" demand on the table, the company would laugh us out of the room. Small victories at a time is what wins the battle. If this doesn't work, then they may come back with a better offer, one piece at a time.
As far as PP's bashing millenials, I think some of the 30 or so FO's that have been bidding reserve to avoid NCE, went ape-sh!t over the deal, and PP's got into with them over it. As a PP, I like the deal. Specifically because the company and union were willing to come together and come up with a remedy to the company's problem with FO's avoiding upgrade, and settle the flow grievance. Is it perfect, No. But it's a step in the right direction.
-The company was going to solve their FO upgrading problem with, or without our cooperation. I'm glad they chose to negotiate with us this time. If you remember, the whole reason we have those ridiculous pre-assigned RAPS, is because when 117 took effect, less than a dozen people on reserve got tired of early assignments, so they figured out a way to cheat the system. They would proffer a trip, then not confirm, and when scheduling would call then at Midnight-01 (interrupting sleep), they had to be released into 10 hours rest, effectively assuring that they didn't have to go on duty until 1001. It didn't even take 2 months for the company to go ballistic over this and screw the whole airline reserve system into pre-assigned RAPS to remedy the scheme that less than half a dozen people were pulling. So what options did we have here? Either negotiate a way to get the FO's flying, where the whole pilot group benefits, or screw EVERYONE on reserve with another "Reserve Time Balancing" Scheme.
If you don't know what that is, "RTB" is where they assign reserve flying, out of seniority order, to ensure that everyone flies at least at minimum amount of hours a month. For those who wanted to fly, you would no longer be used once you hit 35 hours for the month, and flying would be given to someone that hasn't yet flown that many hours yet.
So either way, the company was going to "get these guys". So at least they worked out a way to make it a bit more bearable. But none-the-less, it would have been better to remedy the source of 'WHY' people didn't want to upgrade: the QOL.
-As for the increased upgrade, who knows how long a grievance would have taken to play out, and HOW it would have played out. Maybe we could have gotten a better deal, such as retroactive loss of pay / time at AA. But given the trend of past grievance results, I doubt we would have come out much better than we did in this settlement.
For those who are upset over this, and mad at the PP's, Yes, as a PP, I am happy with the deal. But we did not vote on this, nor have any input into it. It was a ALPA and Company closed door negotiation, and I think they did a decent job here. Could it have been better? Maybe, maybe not...
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