Originally Posted by
Koolaidman
Dojetdriver,
I started flying 121 for TSA in July, 2005. Corporate one month, hated it and SkyWest in September, 2006.
Our agreeing to a pay freeze for the 700 UAL flying was NOT a good thing. I was not there, no need to call me a genius. I am against the carrot dangling and had no part in that situation.
Good for you , keep it up.
Originally Posted by
Koolaidman
When other companies are negotiating contracts, do you think that the only company they look at is SkyWest?
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Nope, I know for a fact they don't. BTW, how many bargaining processes have you been a part of? When the MEC puts together the pay comparison charts and all the respective airlines have their own neat little color and are graphed with years of service vs. pay rate, etc, and YOUR company is the dot at the LOW end of scale, well, whatever. I guess that would make YOUR pay rate pretty important at that point in relation to ones that are above it, wouldn't you?
Originally Posted by
Koolaidman
How about Mesa's 700 scale, gojet's payscale and others.
You can't even mention hojet's in this argument, sorry. As far as MESA goes, yep, their rates suck. But by chance, do you know what their MEC was up against when they were trying to negotiate that CBA? Doubt it. I'm not defending them, but if you knew the situation, it's rather easy to understand why they got the sh1tty deal they did.
Originally Posted by
Koolaidman
You don't think our company does the same thing??? Why do you think our payscale is where it is at? Because Comair couldn't strike and people who fly for less.
I'm not talking about now, COMAIR's rates are CONCESSIONARY. Why didn't your group look at what they had prior to being bent over?
Originally Posted by
Koolaidman
I voted no to our pay proposal and was *issed off when it passed. I did my part and voted no. ASA is certainly not industry leading, so they had better vote NO and continue to negotiate so we can all ride their coat tail. Minus the payscale, the other stuff I know about BROUGHT THEM UP TO US! Take that with a grain of salt because I still have yet to read their contract word for word. I am talking about the min. daily guarantee, duty rigs, profit sharing and 401k.
You shouldn't call someone out and then tell them they don't have to answer.
Speaking of which, I don't have the answer.
Then don't cry about me calling you out then.
Originally Posted by
Koolaidman
Everyone says SkyWest is holding the bar down. Yet, I know is that with our current rates within the regional industry and some other little things SkyWest throws in there, we have it better than most. When most start having it better than us, I will switch my views.
I hope you all get better contracts than we do.
I've already worked under two contracts that were better than what you have, and one was concessionary. But can you really say that you work under a "contract" per se? The guys I know there say it's more like a hand book that leaves itself open to interpretation. And lately that interpretation is less and less in the pilots favor in a lot of cases.
Originally Posted by
Koolaidman
That was the way it was in the old days. In today's airline world, it is the opposite. Will things get back to the way they were??? I think so. But if you think that our payscale has ANY effect on any major/legacy airline's payscale, think again.