On the other hand... the Delta pilots got sick of their reps telling (selling)them "This is as good as it gets", soundly voted down a contract billed as such (for the first time in their history), replaced some key ALPA folks (who may have honestly believed that the rejected contract was as good as it gets), and then got a much better contract. Rejecting the contract and replacing the reps that hard sold it to the group gave the pilots incredible leverage in that negotiation. I don't know what our reps are really up to, but of they aren't of the mindset that we can achieve compensation and quality of life that is in line with the best of our peers, they should get out of the way for some fresh blood. The pilot group will have to facilitate that change.