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Old 07-06-2018 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by All Bizniz
Knock knock, if you missed the point of my argument then it is my fault for not being as clear and concise as I should have been.

Yes, on this forum, mud has been slung on both sides, but primarily for two vastly different reasons. Whereas mud (to use your term) has been slung at you guys for being spineless (again borrowing your term) collectively; mud have been slung at us from your side not primarily for our actions, but from the fundamental point of view that VX pilots are a lower class of pilots than AS pilots or any other legacy pilot for that matter.

Like I said, you can question why a pilot went to VX with substandard pay, a question which I think has been answered quite well, but to question a whole pilot group's professional and personal worth, coming basically from a mindset of superiority, was the problem that I had with the postings and probably why our guys started to give you guys *h*t about your contract.

As a side note, prior to starting on the road to becoming a part of AS, I honestly thought of them as a big legacy carrier.... in name, in age, in operation, in contract, in schedule, in QOL, etc..

For me, it really is a culture shock to come to the realization that it is a legacy carrier in name and age only and I'm not talking about the pilots here, but rather the airline itself. (And yes, I get it and appreciate the fact that it's been a profitable airline and it does have its strength but we wouldn't be pilots if we didn't point out the warts too

As we seem to all agree tho, we have to be united in our efforts to get us where we ought to be with our contract and hopefully the rest will follow.
Well Biz, I’ve never agreed with those who’ve lashed out and trashed VX pilots for spite. I think it’s petty and does nothing to move our collective needle forward. I don’t think that the overwhelming majority of AS folks feel as though VX pilots are substandard pilots. Those spewing that trash on here are truly a vocal minority. What I’ve seen is that most guys/gals have issues with longevity (of VX) and balance sheet but never questioned the pilots abilities or legitimacy. The few I’ve flow with that start down that path I’ve reminded how many of you guys have long histories in the industry and the conversation quickly turns to something else. Mergers unfortunately bring out the ugly side in some. Once we look past our pride we’ll see that both groups have very similar wish lists for 2020. We, (those of us not o.k. with status quo), are in the majority now. We’ve got a real shot at making this place a true legacy airline. We all want better and hopefully soon we will demand better. Even those of us who live in base!
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