Thread: I dont get it
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Old 11-15-2007 | 09:56 AM
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The most amusing thing is that 24G seems to be surprised that a lot of people get offended when he starts talking about "being a line CA isn't successful, only if you're a CP are you successful". I mean, how could a bunch of line pilots get offended when somebody comes in and says "You're not successful, I need to be ranked above you!". Plus, you talk about supporting your family. So if I'm a 12 year CA making over 200k a year on an easy schedule, I'm not successful? Or I'm a CP but not Senior Chief or VP FlightOps? Or I'm a VP, but not DO? Or CEO? Or CEO of a better company? Or President? Where does it stop? When is enough power enough?

Clearly, this person isn't in this industry or has just entered. That being said, let's try and stick to constructive criticism rather than attacks on his personality like his bar habits.

A few examples:

Don't come in here insulting all of our professions.

Whether you type quickly or not is irrelevant. Learn how to type with correct grammar and spelling. You won't always have hours upon hours to construct a brief, and I can assure you that the first time somebody "in power" sees the way you communicate, any chance you have for advancement will be severely hampered. Aviation is a small world, grudges and opinions tend to stick. Besides, nothing tells people that a person is uneducated (REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY ARE OR NOT!) more than seeing a person who is unable to express him/herself clearly, especially on a computer where spellcheck is often built in!

Use relevant examples and analogies. Being a teacher and being a principal are two very different things. If all somebody wants to do is teach, and impart the gift of knowledge to young people, why are they not successful if they aren't the principal or dean? Why if somebody loves to fly are they not successful if they're not the chief pilot?

Learn some diplomacy. As I said, aviation is a small world, you don't want to irritate the wrong people. Also, seeing as you talk about how you want to be successful by being a CP or something of the like, I assume you would also not be satisfied unless you were also a CP at a major or legacy carrier. I hate to say it, but if you tried to apply at what seem to be the top three majors right now (SWA, UPS, FEDEX), you wouldn't even be granted a pilot position. Your kind of attitude would be seen and disqualify you in the very first stages of the interview stage. I'm not trying to knock you down, I'm just trying to let you know so you don't get burned in the later stages of your career.

Take a joke. While some of the comments were meant exactly as they were said, I'm pretty sure that comments like "You'll lose all your friends" are at least partly meant in jest (depending on the airline!), so don't flip out and start defending whether or not you have friends or a life outside of aviation.

Try and look at this whole thing in context. Why are you concerning yourself about being a CP right now? Concern yourself with getting the job and upgrading to CA first. If you're right for the job, you'll find a way to find all this information, and if not, you can come back to a place like this and ask again, and this time be able to ask more directed questions, rather than the slightly offensive general question.