Guys.. lets cut to the chase.
Which Pilot seniority list should we use to determine how many pilots were considered to be United Pilots, by both the Union(s) and the company.
On top of that, are you now saying that the list that both unions used for SLI was incorrect and inflated?!
I have the Company/Union Seniority Lists that are posted on Flying Together for the following years.
1 July 2014 - 12159
1 July 2015 - 12415
1 July 2016 - 12778
1 July 2017 - 12817
1 July 2018 - 12645
And like I posted earlier,
1 Jan 2019 - 12542 (using Staffing on CCS, FO)
You can argue what you want, but we use the yearly 1 July Seniority List to show pilots who are on our official United Pilot Seniority List.
On top of that-
United Seniority Progression
Great site to figure out where you are and where you should end..
It's constantly using the updated Staffing page to figure out seniority.
My number is usually within a few numbers between his site, the Staffing page, the vacancy bid screen and PBS screen.
Look, at the end of the day I believe you call 'growth' the increase in pilots from a set day. To me, it's the SLI.
But even if you want to use the 1 July 2014 list, we had 12159 on the list and now we have between 12645 and 12542 pilots.
Either way to look at it, our list has increased between 383 and 486 pilots.
Better than a decrease or stagnation... but there is no way you can say that we grew by 1400. Just because a furloughed/mil leave/LTD pilot came back to work you can't say it's growth! They were on the list to begin with.
Also, how many pilots have gone OUT on mil leave/LTD since SLI?!
I remember guys typing how we would have 14000, 16000 even 18000 pilots on 'our list' by 2018. I laughed then, and I'm just pointing out that due to efficiency of crew scheduling, yes.. our active pilots may have grown to cover more of the flying we are doing but -
If we were to look at purchasing JetBlue in 2019 (as an example), we are going to use a list that shows how many pilots are on the United Airlines Seniority List at time of merger. Won't matter if they are active or not. If they are on a list, they are United Pilots.
Also, if you want to talk Active - Min/Max from the latest Bid-
1903V 11084 11000/11356
And a bunch of older bids...
1902V 11085 10938/11360
1901V 10986 10691/11091
1812V 11015 10843/11192
1810V 11013 10766/11348
1806V 11029 10755/11106
1707V 11170 10308/11214
1704V 11030 10700/11419
1606V 10920 10770/11147
Unfortunately I don't have the Vacancy announcements from earlier times, maybe someone else does.
But at the end of the day, I believe we have grown our pilot force by less than a hundred pilots a year.
I stand by my statement.
Motch