Originally Posted by
nitefr8dog
Amazon and DHL have little to do with the jobs at ABX.....its all management . Little man syndrome, even if it costs more money or lost profits. To caught up in being able to say " because I said so" even if it costs millions more. At one time crews where being paid 1250$ more each day for Captain's and 750$ for FO's instead for putting catering on which was the unions proposal. The answer..no catering! That will teach am! ABX could have bought a catering company for what they spent in a 3 mo period until they fixed the lines. That is one of a thousand different events that their attorneys have convinced them they can break the union over. The crews just laughed and bought better catering.
Doesn't sound too unlike:
- Atlas Air Crew Services AACS(crew leasing company in STN union busting Atlas union).
- Global Supply System GSS (new airline in Europe created by Atlas for union busting Atlas union).
- FSI the third party company our flight attendants are hired and work under.
- Using F&E maintenance with only a few actual A&P's hired by Atlas.
- ETC
- ETC
- ETC
At least the first two got taken out under IBT before we went backwards with this administration.
We were slowly cleaning them out until this recently un-elected administration via a last minute E-board expansion of the Atlas ExCo numbers (5 to 7) to the number running for office. Thus no election, just placement of the 7 raised hands vs an election of 5. No one could be bounced.
Originally Posted by
deus ex machina
It's not what you fly, it's who you fly for....
reading this thread, Atlas guys are in a netherworld... how can you explain something is better out there when Atlas guys don't even know what better is....
If they want to be convinced that ALPA sucks, go for it... but ALPA sucks less than everyone else, simply due to the resources... the IBT doesn't have near the funds, institutional knowledge and resources as ALPA... If you don't have the funds and ability to strike the company owns the negotiation process.. combine that with Trump NMB and the only thing that is going to compel management to negotiate is labor peace and stability... if they don't see that value then you guys are screwed....
As I said... WB FOs at my carrier make more than B747 CAs at Atlas.. and that is just the pay rate... the work rules, benefits and retirement will make you weep.
But hey, you're flying the Queen.
We spent a number of years fighting among ourselves (Atlas-Polar) under ALPA and it collectively severely stagnated our contract growth. ALPA picked one side and sabotaged the larger group. "
ALPA Unit 1" even told us about it and that verified what Prater as ALPA's leader at the time was doing to us. It cost us years in an improved CBA for our now unified group of 10 airlines under Local 1224. Many of which operate for DHL/Amazon.
Our stagnation was a result of ALPA's and the the smaller carrier's hate of the
ACMI world though they were happy to take our dues money while shooting us collectively in the foot.
That got fixed with decertifying them and booting out of office a number of the problems but chewed up a lot of time. We should have one more CBA behind us but don't due to this ALPA sabotage.
So while our current leadership like JonnyKnoxville works the union business pay system and union compensated helpers like DC8Driver work there angle, it won't last for long. The remaining membership that gets some time under their belts here will start seeing how the failed past
tactics of pre-Atlas/Polar merger repeating themselves now.
It's easier to elect new leadership that actually upholds their promises than decertify. I know being one of the guys who accomplished it the last time and knowing exactly what ALPA will do to us if we go back.