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Old 01-12-2019, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy View Post
The difference - and real problem for europilots - is allowing companies like Lufthansa to start airlines flying same/similar routes with same/similar equipment.

Companies like Eurowings, SWISS, Austrian Airlines, Germanwings, etc should all be one single company under one single pilot agreement. The pilots are allowing themselves to be whipsawed by the parent company.

The same can be said for IAG's pilots.

Scope. Get some.
Scope sounds nice. However, it is not necessarily legal. Lufthansa mainline had a scope clause and sued their management when it started the Sunexpress longhaul services taking services from Lufthansa based in DUS to that company and closing their DUS base. They lost the court case and have subsequently abandoned their scope clause alltogether while at the same time lowering their T&Cs by about 15% while the company made record profits.

IAG before it became IAG had similar issues, BA pilots went on strike over Open Skies, a french BA subsidiary offering lower cost TATL services. That was against advice of their own legal counsel. The resulting court case (BA sued BALPA) nearly bankrupted the union. After that BA pilots even went so far and worked as cabin crew during cabin crew industrial action to nullify the effectiveness of that (legal) unions action.

SWISS put the newly aquired 777 with their regional subsidiary at regional pay levels, forcing SWISS pilots to lower their conditions as well to get at least a shot at flying it. Helped of course by the fact that different unions represented their pilots before those unions merged recently.

The EU is not a united states of europe, especially in labour law there are huge differences between sovereign countries inside and outside that Union (switzerland is outside, the UK will soon be).
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