Originally Posted by
F4E Mx
When the USAF started flying the F-4 there was no requirement to even have a back-seater. We used to send out cross -country flights all the time with a single pilot. So, in ordinary bombing training on the range and ACM training over the Gulf of Mexico, if the back-seater (which were initially all rated USAF pilots) was not receiving instruction and not manipulating the controls (which he had in the back) he could not log any pilot time? Is that what some of you people are saying?
When I got a ride in a USMCR F-4S model - all I needed was the jet backseat survival qual and to be trained in a particular emergency where I would have to pull a specific CB located on the panel in the rear cockpit area.
As far as a second pilot qual'ed in the aircraft - when I rode backseat in 'B' or 'D' model Hornets with another instructor up front - I logged CP time.