Originally Posted by
dera
It only went away because the mainline was not hiring. During those years, there was no real movement from any other regionals either, so AA WO's were not singled out in this.
I'd say the AA WO's did pretty well during those years. Yes, they downsized, but looking at the turmoil rest of the regional industry went through, AA WO wasn't a bad place to be.
Currently, there are no 10 year CA's at any WO's who are there because they can't move on. There are plenty of them at other regionals. So yes, the flow works, even though there was a 7-8 year gap because of the lost decade.
So based on the history lessons, I would say AA WOs are definitely some of the more stable regionals to be in. And currently they have other added benefits too - fast upgrades, no training delays and so on.
Dera, I’m starting to think you live in a fantasy world filled with unicorns and rainbows. No one is arguing which personal lucky situation is better. We’re talking about what the average new hire can expect. I don’t know about Envoy, but PSA and Piedmont flows are both around 10 years. Reserve is close to a year and increasing. At PSA, we’ve become extremely fat on pilots. With literally half of the airline on reserve... a new hire today will have to move up 450 spots on a 1900 pilot seniority list to hold a line. Currently that much movement will take about 16-22 months even accounting for new aircraft deliveries.
You claim the WOs are stable. When I started at PSA in 2014, Envoy was downsizing. 2 years before that Envoy was strongly rumored to be sold off.
You claim captain pay at Envoy sucks but FO pay is about the same everywhere. This proves you don’t have any idea what you’re talking about. It’s more than just pay rates. 2nd year FOs at Endeavor, Republic, Skywest, Expressjet, and Air Wisconsin are all making more than any 5 year captain at the AA wholly owneds and they don’t have to fly their butt off to do it.