Originally Posted by
Thedude86
Dera, I’m starting to think you live in a fantasy world filled with unicorns and rainbows. No one is arguing which personal lucky situation is better. We’re talking about what the average new hire can expect. I don’t know about Envoy, but PSA and Piedmont flows are both around 10 years. Reserve is close to a year and increasing. At PSA, we’ve become extremely fat on pilots. With literally half of the airline on reserve... a new hire today will have to move up 450 spots on a 1900 pilot seniority list to hold a line. Currently that much movement will take about 16-22 months even accounting for new aircraft deliveries.
You claim the WOs are stable. When I started at PSA in 2014, Envoy was downsizing. 2 years before that Envoy was strongly rumored to be sold off.
You claim captain pay at Envoy sucks but FO pay is about the same everywhere. This proves you don’t have any idea what you’re talking about. It’s more than just pay rates. 2nd year FOs at Endeavor, Republic, Skywest, Expressjet, and Air Wisconsin are all making more than any 5 year captain at the AA wholly owneds and they don’t have to fly their butt off to do it.
I've made it pretty obvious that my comments are for Envoy 175 new hire. It's been a 50/50 chance lately, so pretty much by definition, what average new hire can expect.
The union number, which is very pessimistic obviously, is 8.8 years for a new hire. First 2 months, I moved up 6 months. It will be 6-7 years unless there's a huge world event that messes everyone up. Those are impossible to forecast so no point to add them to any reasonable prediction.
I sincerely hope PSA/PDT will get improvements soon. Right now the prospects aren't great there.
And yes, AA WO's have been relatively stable in the regional industry. Look back 20 years and you see what I mean. Nothing is 100% stable when it comes to regionals, that's a fact.
And sorry you didn't understand what I meant by the FO pay. I should've been more clear. I meant year 1-2 pay. At Envoy, you will upgrade around year 2, so anything beyond that doesn't matter. After that you go to CA pay, and yes, it sucks.