Originally Posted by
dera
I've made it pretty obvious that my comments are for Envoy 175 new hire. It's been a 50/50 chance lately, so pretty much by definition, what average new hire can expect.
The union number, which is very pessimistic obviously, is 8.8 years for a new hire. First 2 months, I moved up 6 months. It will be 6-7 years unless there's a huge world event that messes everyone up. Those are impossible to forecast so no point to add them to any reasonable prediction.
And yes, AA WO's have been relatively stable in the regional industry. Look back 20 years and you see what I mean. Nothing is 100% stable when it comes to regionals, that's a fact.
And sorry you didn't understand what I meant by the FO pay. I should've been more clear. I meant year 1-2 pay. At Envoy, you will upgrade around year 2, so anything beyond that doesn't matter. After that you go to CA pay, and yes, it sucks.
4 points here
1. You did not make it obvious at first. Your first few comments on this thread were pretty broad making it sound like anyone hired at Envoy will have a similar situation as you (which btw, isn’t that great).
2. The union number for flow is actually pretty accurate. Of course you move up the list very quickly at first. Same as the PSA pilots, but that trend doesn’t continue. New hires will move up 20-30 spots a month when they first start and then it will greatly slow down. I’m in the top 30% at PSA. Besides the flow pilots I’ve only moved up 0-3 spots a month for the past year.
3. So you’re saying the past 4-5 years might have been crappy for Envoy, but as long as you were willing to stay 20 years eventually everything will come back around.
4. I still don’t understand what the heck you’re talking about. You’re saying since you upgrade after 2 years at Envoy pay doesn’t matter beyond that? What?! Almost every regional is upgrading pilots after 2-3 years. Those people go from making more as an FO than any AA wholly owned captain.... to making literally 30k-70k more than you do once they upgrade in about the same amount of time as you. How many of your regular line flying captains at Envoy are making 130k+++ as a captain after 3-4 years?
You sound like an Amish person who’s never left the farm to see what else is out there.