Originally Posted by
Climbto450
Not even close, I was editing while you responded and it was only trying to bring clarity. Not trying to invalidate anything. Just trying to clear up his response. You can understand it however your perception allows. Once again why I don’t post on here very often.
Now back to the actual constructive side of this discussion. ETOPS doesn’t require a separate bid class, it’s how the individual operator wants to manage it. However, like below the red line flying for us it does require currency and training. No one was talking about requiring anything simply posting how other operators choose to manage the same dilemma we will shortly be having.
You're still arguing with me, but saying nothing!
Back to the beginning, one poster said making ETOPS a separate group is required due to "currency and skill" (which has widely been shown to not be a general FAA requirement).
A subsequent poster said that statement has some "validity" because one UPS base has separate groups for domestic and long-haul. But in the same post said UPS has two other bases where one group of pilots fly's mixed domestic and long haul. So.... Do some UPS pilots require "currency and skill" to fly ETOPS, while others don't?
Your own statements regarding JB's FLL red-line flying are contradictory. That flying requires currency (annual recurrent) and training (annual recurrent red-line training), yet the base operates ***mixed*** domestic/red-line flying. So JB's FLL flying does not support the need for a separate trans-atlantic bid group.
So yes, the statement that JB must operate trans-atlantic flying as a separate group because of "currency and skill" remains untrue from an FARs standpoint. Other airlines including United, Alaska and UPS (just to name a few(and as illustrated by the UPS pilots post)) operate mixed domestic/long haul flying and JB itself uses a mixed flying philosophy for its FLL flying, even as YOU point out that red-line flying also requires "currency and training".
If JB is going to go with a separate bid group for trans-atlantic, let's just admit it's because they WANT to or because the FAA is placing restrictions on JB that it doesn't place on other airlines.