Originally Posted by 272922

I don't know about being "held up," but the reality is that the pilot group at PSA did have a gun to their head, and begrudgingly made a strategic retreat (the concessionary 900 LOA only passed by 61%). So my beef with Envoy is that it's easy to hide behind the rhetoric of "standing up for the industry" when your job is not the one at stake.

In the end, as of 4/1 Santa Claus showed up and dropped a big win in our laps, but it's also worth noting that our union leadership has been trying to cultivate a good relationship with management for the last few years, after pressuring the company to force out some senior leaders a while back. Now I hear they're working on some middle management...…

The difference between the current state of PSA and Envoy might be more about the differences in DF and PF more than anything else.

Oh, and those dogged out 700s you lost? As I recall yall gave up rights to those in whatever LOA created the "Protected Pilots," i.e. you allowed those 700s to be transferred off the Eagle certificate to the AA certificate in exchange for a mainline job guarantee for everyone on property at the time.

But, fast forward a few years and all those no voters who are still here who railed against the LOA of late 2013 have seen massive increases in pay as the recent pay agreement for PSA included lifting the pay caps for those hired prior to that agreement. In some cases that raise was very near $20/hour. 2013 hires (you know, the ones without a vote in this thing) all flowed in just over 5 years. 2014 hires should all flow in just under 6 according to our union excel dude. Everyone else is now getting paid far and above our supposed virtuous betters at Envoy, and flowing unlike EDV and RAH.

So much for bringing down the industry.