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Old 09-09-2019, 04:05 PM
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ThisIsMe17
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
IMO, EOC checks which were NOT going to result in a certificate being issued don't count as "busts". IMO that's just training, and a determination that you need more training before the checkride. Otherwise every 141 student in that situation would have TWO jeopardy events for each cert/rating. Not really apples-to apples with 61. Same for intermediate stage checks.

Now with all that said, if an employer got really anal and threw a lot of extra adjectives into their question that might cover intermediate and EOC checks, than you might want to err on the conservative side. I started to see that a few years ago with some majors. But if the question is "Have you ever failed a checkride?" I think you can consider that to apply only if issuance of a cert/rating would result from a pass.

So you have two pink slips for instructor ratings which would probably show up on a PRIA or FOIA search. That will delay your interview call for the top tier, but somebody should hire you eventually (all else being equal).

The 141 examining authority bust will likely be considered a failure by airlines. As of right now that does not show up via PRIA but may in the future (possibly in PRD, which is still in development and NOT accurate or complete at this time). Whether you chose to hide that is up to you. As a former 141 guy I could probably spot it in your logbook, or at least determine that there may have been a bust, retraining, and retest... then I ask you about it. What are you going to say then? Delay more than about 2 seconds and you look dishonest. Multi-million dollar job on the line, what do you say? personally I would not put myself in that position.

Unfortunately admitting to three busts will make it harder to get called by most majors, and maybe never by some of the best. But it's better than more than three, which is probably a kiss of death. It helps that two of them were instructor ratings.
Yeah I agree. I’ve always been honest about my record because I’d rather be upfront since they will find out eventually. Do you think I still have a chance at the top regionals currently?

I know the majors will be a little harder. The 141 EOC stage checks that I failed were only for completing the course. I only received a course certificate and then took the checkride with an actual DPE.

I know some AA wholly owned applications ask about any 141 training events but I’m not sure if the stage checks would count against me or just need to be reported? I also failed an upgrade flight that I have no shame in discussing. It was for a standardization flight at a flight school. I learned from all these events and I can’t hide them. So I took them as a learning experience.
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