Originally Posted by CAirBear

Every single airline, Delta and United included, have Bs in their contract, somewhere, that people don’t like. Go read the United “Contract 202x” thread for a bit. Every new TA has something given up. You may not see it or know about it, but it does happen. I have multiple friends at both United and Delta. What is the old saying with negotiations, it’s successful when both parties walk away feeling a bit ****ed off?

It should absolutely no surprise why this contract (and F9 and Allegiant’s) passed. It took 6 years here to make even $100 an hour right seat. SIX YEARS.

So a vast majority of the work force here was making hardly any respectable money. Now, outside of first year pay, everyone is basically over $100k base salary as an FO. CAs are $170k base and most are well above $200k. Most make well above these numbers with soft pay and being above guarantee.

They got this raise without giving up Trip dropping, swapping etc. That is one of the biggest reasons people come here. I’m not going to argue about Reserve drops and other smaller issues.

Again the main reason people are here, such as myself, is for QOL and schedule manipulation. That hasn’t changed. (Cue the “the grids always Red now” folks).

The union said we could have gotten Legacy rates, but would have to have given up drops. According to the union, the vast majority of pilots here said “hell no”. I guess you could chose not to believe them.

So next time around what do you think is going to happen?

People actually make enough money to wait it out. This is EXACTLY why The legacies vote down TAs. No ones broke, everyone makes a damn good living and there is usually retro pay as well. They don’t really, for the most part, care how long it takes.

I fully expect us, next contract, to vote down anything that isn’t up to par. We can AFFORD to do that. No one is broke working here anymore. If you can’t live on $100k + salary then you are an idiot and I would highly recommend looking up a fellow by the name of Dave Ramsey.

It’s pretty difficult to ask over half the pilot list to hold out last time when they were so grossly underpaid.

Finally, it may surprise you, but when Allegiant signed their first contact, 3 years ago, guess who made more than Delta flying the MD80 and Bus on their current contract? Allegiant did. King of the world Delta (much to the horror of their precious egos) made less than a LLC at one point in time.