I don’t think anybody is arguing we should have had no scope. The argument being addressed is that this CBA is/was a “win” or a “must vote yes to lock in scope” because it has scope. All you yes voters seem to point to scope and say “see! I told you so! Now we are protected from big bad RJs! They were coming it was just a matter of time!....” Meanwhile no voters (and BD who I think voted yes) point out facts that support the notion that RJs weren’t going to happen anyway and your “win” was basically a zero cost item, and that it still has flaws as it currently is. And then you and CoolHand retort with silly ideas like “look at the virgin acquisition attempt...see? We were gonna get RJs if we voted it down” (which btw sounds as silly as some of the junk on cnn).

The CBA is largely a turd, but many yes voters point back to scope as the justification for their decision and/or their retrospective “win,” when the reality is RJ scope wasn’t really on the table, despite N8’s fear/sell job. The scope we do have still has plenty of holes.

So yeah, we absolutely need scope. That’s not even a question...I don’t think anyone engaged in this discussion is saying otherwise. In fact we need better scope. But we also need a better CBA outside of just section 1, and we voted in a substandard, industry lagging one. Now we are back full circle with you about to say “it’s not lagging...we have the 2nd best scope section of all the majors and that’s what’s important. Are you willing to give that up for the rest of the CBA to be average/leading?”

Hopefully next round, all the fearful ones of the past will have the stones to demand/hold out for more and have a higher self-worth. Every negotiating cycle, at every airline, CBA or not (even daddy D) Fear/Uncertainty/Doubt comes out during voting time. It’s always something with FUDsters who have an agenda. The economy. RJs. Airplanes. More flying. Cost. Profitability. Sustainability. Blah blah blah.


Edit: TL;DR version:
You guys keep appearing to say we had a binary choice: scope or decent contract...or that we had only that one opportunity to vote in scope. That wasn’t the case at all.