Merger question
10-12-2019 | 07:33 PM
#182
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Your clear lack of knowledge of JetBlue history and compensation is evident. Ask anyone who has been at JetBlue more than 10 years who are peers are. Arguing with you is useless.
10-12-2019 | 07:34 PM
#183
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10-12-2019 | 07:37 PM
#184
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Yes, it IS useless, because your argument is weak and full of holes. You left three other airlines to come to JB. You must have done that for a reason.
10-12-2019 | 07:41 PM
#185
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That would be the first time I’ve heard it argued that Jetblue lacks soft time provisions. There’s guys out crediting 3 times their block on a pretty consistent bases. Can’t argue with the other points.
10-12-2019 | 07:51 PM
#186
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Or any time a reserve gets called out, they will credit above guarantee.
Or their trip touching vacations through line bidding, which enable more time off to pick up more credit hours.
There others as well, but that is top of my head.
We certainly have opportunities here, but of course they could be improved.
10-13-2019 | 12:06 PM
#187
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Not sure what you're trying to say in the edit, but:
It was a de facto increase of 2%. De minimis.
3+5+5. Anyone not contributing 5% to get the match was leaving money on the table. So, the company's contribution went from 13 to 15. Definitely an improvement, but not one to boost contrails' argument that we are now swimming in cash.
It was a de facto increase of 2%. De minimis.
3+5+5. Anyone not contributing 5% to get the match was leaving money on the table. So, the company's contribution went from 13 to 15. Definitely an improvement, but not one to boost contrails' argument that we are now swimming in cash.
Why are you giving the company credit for our 5%?
Correct me if I'm wrong....
Pre-CBA
Pilot contribution was 5% (to get the match).
Pilot TOTAL = 5%
Company match of 5% + RetirementPlus of 3%
Company TOTAL = 8%
GRAND TOTAL= 13%
If as a pilot you contributed 0% the company would only contribute 3%.
__________________________________________________ _______
Today we get a direct contribution of 15%. So, if you reduce your contribution to 0, the company now has to put in an additional 7% (8% in 2021), not 2% as you would like to believe.
Regardless of how much you contribute, your compensation package increased 7-8% just as a result of the direct contribution.
10-13-2019 | 03:35 PM
#188
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Why are you giving the company credit for our 5%?
Correct me if I'm wrong....
Pre-CBA
Pilot contribution was 5% (to get the match).
Pilot TOTAL = 5%
Company match of 5% + RetirementPlus of 3%
Company TOTAL = 8%
GRAND TOTAL= 13%
If as a pilot you contributed 0% the company would only contribute 3%.
__________________________________________________ _______
Today we get a direct contribution of 15%. So, if you reduce your contribution to 0, the company now has to put in an additional 7% (8% in 2021), not 2% as you would like to believe.
Regardless of how much you contribute, your compensation package increased 7-8% just as a result of the direct contribution.
Correct me if I'm wrong....
Pre-CBA
Pilot contribution was 5% (to get the match).
Pilot TOTAL = 5%
Company match of 5% + RetirementPlus of 3%
Company TOTAL = 8%
GRAND TOTAL= 13%
If as a pilot you contributed 0% the company would only contribute 3%.
__________________________________________________ _______
Today we get a direct contribution of 15%. So, if you reduce your contribution to 0, the company now has to put in an additional 7% (8% in 2021), not 2% as you would like to believe.
Regardless of how much you contribute, your compensation package increased 7-8% just as a result of the direct contribution.
10-13-2019 | 04:45 PM
#189
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Yes, you are wrong. Retirement Plus was 5% and Retirement Advantage was 3%. So, assuming you contributed 5%, the company did, in fact, contribute 13%. If you didn’t contribute any, the company contributed 8%. Obviously, there are multiple ways to look at those numbers and draw conclusions. If someone used to contribute 5% and still contributes 5%, the company contribution only went up 2%.
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