It wasn't my point and has not been my point.

Even for 2008 standards, those pay rates were low but pattern bargaining has raised those rates to where they are today, $90 or so. Im not saying "Hey, our guys get paid more than CAL did in 2008." Im saying they had low pay in the not too distant past and were able to raise it through some successful Section 6 bargaining.

Spirit will do the same and just as CAL looks back at the rates of 20008 and says "Jeez, that first year pay and heathcare delay was junk," I believe we will be able to look back eventually and say, just as they did, "Wow, that first year pay and healthcare delay was junk." Legacy carriers increased all rates across the board and never did any of those airlines campaign on "we will sacrifice from the top to increase the bottom." It was always "All longevity will see increases to reflect their contributions."

Zero chance ALPA will ever campaign on the idea of cutting from the top to subsidize the bottom; that mantra has always been to raise pay at all levels; some things can't be accomplished in one contract cycle. And just as we have pilots who were upset we are not Delta and a 16% DC from day 1, it takes more than one cycle to hit all those things. And as long as the Minstrel CEO doesnt sink the airline, we will see great gains next go around. Maybe too some of our apathetic pilots can actually get out this time and march for an hour on a day off.

Its back and forth but we all agree, there is zero reason why at the end of the next cycle we dont see FOs at triple digit first year pay and senior CAs making significantly more as well.