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Old 11-13-2019 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by O2pilot
CAL didn’t fly any 747s and UAL didn’t fly the 767-400. But UAL flew the 767-300 but the CAL negotiating committee demanded it not pay as much as the 767-400. I wonder why?
Not exactly true. A few facts. There was no CAL negotiating committee. There was a joint negotiating committee (JNC) made up of three LCAL pilots and three LUAL pilots.

The JNC as a whole made the decision to decide what rates to apply to the 767-300. This was totally separate and well after the LCAL MEC played the pay banding card. I’m not going there, the pay banding card was played by the CAL MEC for right or wrong reasons. It can be debated till the end of time with both sides making arguments for and against. We need to get over it and move forward as 13,000 plus unified United pilots.

But the 767-300 rates were negotiated far down the road from the pay banding fiasco well into the negotiating end game when the JNC felt (right or wrong) they ran out of negotiating leverage. At the time management wanted 787’s (especially the 800 which at the time had we had significantly more orders then the 900’s) to be much lower then the top pay category. The JNC wanted all 787’s to be in the top widebody category. Additionally the company was parking all LCAL 767-200’s and publicly stated only 14 of the 35 LUAL 767-300’s were staying. I know time and hindsight has proved differently.

In the end the JNC traded a much lower 767-300 rates (again that decision for right or wrong can be debated forever) for all 787’s to go into the top pay catagory.

Above is how I understand everting went down from several conversations with the JNC both LCAL & LUAL committee members.

We need to get over this history, no matter which side you are on, it happened and it’s over. Again we need to move forward as 13,000 plus unified United pilots.

Lastly, not sure if all are aware of this. The current UAL MEC NC Chairman is a former member of the JNC from the LCAL side. Obviously our MEC has put the past behind them and is unified on our current NC chairman.

Last edited by Boeing Aviator; 11-13-2019 at 06:02 PM.
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